What would it take?

Dive into important issues and imagine what could be.

About the show

The What Would It Take podcast is an endeavor in imaginative liberation. Each week we do a deep dive into an important issue or problem and evaluate it through theological, sociological and political lenses. As we explore each topic we ask "What Would It Take?" for this issue to be resolved?

You'll leave each episode feeling more informed and empowered to bring the world we imagine into existence.


  • Episode 26: What Would It Take to keep trans youth safe?

    March 24th, 2023  |  Season 3  |  13 mins 41 secs

    The assault on transgender people is very real and it’s here. It’s been here for a while. It feels like a
    solution in search of a problem, and that is not the right way to govern.

  • Episode 25: What would it take to listen to the unheard?

    February 24th, 2023  |  Season 3  |  15 mins 37 secs

    In this episode we will talk about black history but not the way you are used to talking about it. Let's talk about riots.

  • Episode 24: Part 2: What would it take to make our relationships work?

    February 10th, 2023  |  Season 3  |  19 mins 11 secs

    Last week we spent some time asking the question what would it take to make our relationships work? This week, I want to dive into some more practical examples of why this work is important for us as individuals, but also as a society. If you haven’t listened to the previous episode, pause this, go back and check it out.

  • Episode 23: What would it take to make relationships work?

    January 27th, 2023  |  Season 3  |  30 mins 50 secs
  • Episode 22: Thanksgiving

    November 21st, 2022  |  Season 2  |  5 mins 38 secs
  • Episode 21: What Would It Take to protect life?

    May 20th, 2022  |  Season 2  |  32 mins 50 secs

    In early May 2022, a draft of a supreme court opinion was leaked which highlighted the Supreme Court’s intention to overturn Roe v Wade. This news has sent shockwaves through the country which are still rippling today.

    In this episode we will unpack why this matters and what the ramifications could be for women and families all across the country and examine the roots of the conservative obsession with abortion rights. While some see a religious obsession with when life begins or ideological convictions that equate abortion with murder...I see political games and outright racism.

    Listen in.

  • Episode 20: What would it take to address racism's influence on relief?

    May 5th, 2022  |  Season 2  |  19 mins 11 secs

    Since the war in Ukraine began in February, we’ve heard reports of terrible atrocities. Mass graves uncovered, the entire port city of Mariupal besieged for months which has led to a humanitarian crisis. Women and children injured or killed during strikes on residential areas.

    As I listened to reports in late February, I heard several prominent reporters openly noting their horror and surprise that we were witnessing such tragedies in a “civilized”country. Let's dig into this idea of "civilized" and "uncivilized" countries and how its roots in White supremacy influence our reactions to current world conflicts.

  • Episode 19: What would it take, to repair the harm that has been done?

    April 22nd, 2022  |  Season 2  |  23 mins 43 secs

    In this episode of the what would it take podcast, we’re going to explore the concept of reparations.
    Why are they necessary? Who should they go to? And what would reparations practically look like?
    If you’re still listening, then you must be wondering “what would it take, to repair the harm that
    has been done?”. Listen on to find out.

  • Episode 18: What would it take to talk about a positive sex theology?

    April 8th, 2022  |  Season 2  |  32 mins 17 secs

    In this episode Ben is joined Reverend Chesla. She is dedicated to helping people develop healthy, liberating, loving relationships with the divine, themselves and others. She serves as a hospice chaplain, a wedding officiant, a couples therapist, as well as a sexuality educator. Learn more about Reverend Chesla at https://www.revchesla.com/.

  • Episode 17: What Would It Take To Talk About Our Bodies?

    March 24th, 2022  |  Season 2  |  11 mins 30 secs

    For a lot of people, especially those that grew up in more conservative christian environments,
    conversations about sex come with a lot of baggage. We were told that our bodies, aka our
    flesh, was at war with the spirit and therefore we should resist the flesh. So we spend years
    suppressing, resisting and even demonizing our own desires thinking it's the right thing to do.
    But hat if that wasn’t true?

  • Episode 16: What would it take to talk about sex?

    March 11th, 2022  |  Season 2  |  27 mins 7 secs

    Throughout modern Christian spaces, abstinence only has been the most promoted as the way to teach sex education. In this episode we will unpack the ramifications of abstinence only and how it is not only insufficient, but that it can leave young people dangerously uniformed. Our churches and faith communities hold responsibility here and we can do better. Listen in.

  • Episode 15: What would it take for our sisters to be free?

    February 24th, 2022  |  Season 2  |  20 mins 53 secs

    Kimberly Crenshaw coined the term intersectionality which is a metaphor she created to discuss the overlapping systems of oppression that impact Black women. In today's episode we will explore other examples of intersectional revolutionaries and their work and how we can all work towards the liberation of Black women and nonconforming people. Listen in.

  • Episode 14: What would it take to remember what was lost?

    February 11th, 2022  |  Season 2  |  13 mins 2 secs

    In this episode we remember Black ingenuity, Black greatness, and Black potential. Listen in as we celebrate Black History Month.

  • Episode 13: What would it take to keep our native family safe?

    January 28th, 2022  |  Season 2  |  54 mins 28 secs

    In this episode, Ben and Kibler explore the history of Indigenous people in North American and explore both the genocide that is still happening and the amazing resilience of native communities.

  • Episode 12: What Would It Take To Save The Planet?

    January 14th, 2022  |  Season 2  |  18 mins 58 secs

    Climate change scientists told us that severe weather would happen more frequently as weather patterns changed, and they were right. I’m not optimistic about the world my child will live in when he’s 33. Luckily, there are brilliant minds wrestling with these problems and giving us reasons to be hopeful. We’ll unpack why in today’s episode. Today we’re asking, What Would It Take to save the planet? Listen to find out.

  • Episode 11: Season 1 finale - a conversation about What would it take?

    June 25th, 2021  |  Season 1  |  48 mins 9 secs

    To celebrate season one of the What would it take? podcast. Host Ben, and AW staffers Dani and Juan talk about the work, the topics, and hopes for the season two.